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Drivers with Expired Dutch Driver's Licenses Blocked Roads Early Tuesday Morning --- Prefet and Collectivity working on solutions.

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Marigot:--- Several heavy equipments blocked the roundabout in the Agrement area early Tuesday morning to get the attention of the President of the Collectivity of St. Martin Alain Richardson and Prefet Philippe Chopin regarding their expired Dutch driver's licenses that were issued by the Dutch side for a period of one year after the former administration under the Union Pour les Progres leadership agreed to pass an ordinance in the Territorial Council that would allow the COM to exchange the Dutch Driver's license for French Driver's license.

According to information provided to SMN News, the former government headed by Frantz Gumbs could not deliver the French driver's licenses to the holders of the Dutch Driver's licenses that were renewed for a period of one year because the former Prefet Jacques Simonette and Acting Prosecutor Jacques Louvier intervened and conducted an investigation which showed that the licenses were actually obtained on Saba and not St. Maarten. The investigation showed that those persons who obtained their licenses in Saba years ago had an opportunity to exchange their Saba driver's license for a St. Maarten driver's license. The investigation also concluded that the holders of those licenses did not do the proper examinations to obtain their licenses. Therefore, the licenses they hold is not equivalent to a European Drivers License such as the French.

Due to the unclear situation, the holders of the Dutch expired licenses which is over 800 in total decided to block the roads so that the French administration could do something for them since they would be driving on the road with an expired drivers licenses and should they be involved in any accidents then their insurances will not cover them.

SMN News learnt that the Prefet Philippe Chopin and someone from the Collectivity of St. Martin approached the drivers who blocked the roads before 5am and made an agreed that the Collectivity will grant the holders of these licenses a letter permitting them to drive on the road until another agreement is reached with the Government on the Dutch side. A representative at the Prefecture of St. Martin confirmed to SMN News that Prefet Chopin is the one that intervened and managed to have the protesters move their vehicles until the Collectivity of St. Martin could come to an agreement with the Dutch side. According to well placed sources at the Collectivity of St. Martin, some of the holders of the Dutch driver's licenses got their licenses since 1983 and even though they knew that these licenses were not going to be renewed, they made no effort to obtain a French driver's license by following the regular procedures.
SMN News was also told that the Collectivity also agreed to send out a press release on the road blocking but up to press time no release was made available to the media.

Last Updated ( Tuesday, 10 July 2012 22:11 )  
Comments (26)
  • French Citizen
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    I am writing this comment as someone who pa**ed the exam on the French side.

    The exam on the French side is much harder than that of the Dutch side. The cost is approximately 1200 euros for cla**es, which includes exam fees. The board is pa**ed via computer and the person who gives the exam is flown in from Guadeloupe, so there is no possibility of cheating. Out of 40 questions, you are only allowed to get 5 wrong. I got two wrong when I did the exam.
    After all of that, when you pa** the exam you get an international French license that does not expire.
    I had to explain the above for people to understand why I believe that the Dutch license should not be exchanged for the French. I too could have opted for the easy way out by going to the Dutch side and pa**ing the cheaper and easier exam. Fact of the matter is that some people on the Dutch side should not be driving, there are way to many instances where people get knocked down on the road. I have rarely heard of this happening on the French side. I believe these people should be given a grace period to go to driving school and pa** the exam on the French side. You are French, you live on the French side, do the exam on the French side. The exam is harder but it makes you a better and safer driver. I have had my license for 7 years now with no accidents. Another thing, when you are on SXM on either side you need to have a license for the island. If you come from elsewhere to live here you need to get an SXM license for the side on which you live.

  • Follow the laws and rules of t
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    Make them take the French drivers license test first if they want to drive on the roads. Simple as that.

  • I
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    @French citizen
    So you're trying to say that because people get knocked down on the road on the dutch side more frequent than on the french side (allegedly) that the drivers from the dutch side are bad and that has to do with the driving education on the dutch side? If that's what you're trying to say, then you're 'conclusion' if I may call it so is baseless, seeing the fact that there's a possibility that accidents were caused by people who don't even have a licence or french residents who chose the easy way out or who may be not be familiar with dutch side roads,pedestrians could also be walking reckless on the road. At the end of the day being a bad driver in my opinion can not be considered a consequence of a bad driving education.Like my father always told his children, you're driving education does not make you a driver much less a good driver. When you get your licence you have permission to use the road but you're not a driver as yet. Respecting other driver's rights in the traffic, years of experience, being cautious, having that 3rd eye to foresee a danger and see whats going on at least 40 feet ahead of you,driving responsibly, looking out for yourself and others in the traffic,now those things make you a driver and a good and safe one for that matter. And he further added that even after all of that you can be a good driver but the moment you take your eyes off the road .. something could happen. So I would appreciate you not undermining the driving education on the dutch side.
    But I do agree with you that everyone seeking a licence should pa** the exam on the respective side on which they reside.

  • janni
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    fact of the matter is: when you get a "Dutch License", or Saban, it means NOTHING.
    -_one is not a capable driver & that happens to be true for most of the rest of the Carib too.
    Good thing the French are strict.
    My Dutch NL license expires somewhere towards the end of the year. I have an SXM license waiting for me at the Government building. I don't want it.
    I discovered that I could get my Dutch one renewed via the interned: At least with that one, and
    what I know about driving, I will be internationally accepted as a competent driver.
    Which is rather important as I travel a lot.

  • French Citizen
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    @ I
    You said: "If that's what you're trying to say, then you're 'conclusion' if I may call it so is baseless, seeing the fact that there's a possibility that accidents were caused by people who don't even have a licence or french residents who chose the easy way out or who may be not be familiar with dutch side roads,pedestrians could also be walking reckless on the road."
    Are you saying none of this happens on the French side? The pedestrians are better and drivers are more familiar on the French side? There are no unlicensed drivers on the french side? Is that why there are less people knocked down?
    At the end of the day drivers hit people, and I will go as far as saying there are also more accidents on the Dutch side (the smaller side of the island). Furthermore, I have an international license while people on the Dutch side do not. I can undermine the lesser license if I want to. The Dutch side needs to get it together...

  • A warning the Collectivity
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    First of all, we need to address the core of the problem. That is, many of these persons who are affected by this saga are French residents who live on the French side, but went to school on the Dutch side. They cannot comprehend the French language 100%. Don’t get me wrong. The instructors do translate the French to English, but it has proven to be not effective since it doesn’t benefit the majority. Many of them failed or got discouraged because the French driver’s license exam is much harder than the dutch side driver’s license exam and extremely time consuming. Without hesitation, they [French residents] who went to french school will tell you that as well. Imagine, these French students refuse to take the exam and prefer drive illegally. Many of them have been on the road for many years, but don’t have a license. So then, the government should imagine what these people are faced with. The government must also understand that many of these same people work on the dutch side. Imagine working at the PJIA, and trying to get home [by BUS] to attend cla**. By the time you get out of the traffic, you are arriving to cla** when it is near done, if not DONE. You will be tired, and it is completely illogical for any government or anyone to think that you will effectively learn anything after all that. Think about a single mother.

    The problem with the French government is that they expected that the dutch government would continue to take care of it’s citizens by providing education, jobs and driver’s license etc, but they were WRONG. The Dutch government has abandoned that approach years ago when the Antillians, and the foreigners outnumbered the amount of registered voters from the French side. The Antillians and foreigners are their priority today. A clear message sent to the French government that they should do more to take care of its people…A clear message sent to French residents that their dutch vote is not longer needed to win an election.

    This driver’s license issue is a real mess that the COM must deal with urgent. I suggest that the COM seek driver’s license for French St. Martin, while still leaving the option of the French international license open for those who wish to pursue such. That can be short term, or long term. However, the COM must begin to provide education and jobs for its citizens because the Dutch side is posturing in a bid to force them out of their schools and jobs. COM must take care and provide for all its people to avoid such situations in future because I feel this is only the begin of all what the Dutch government will begin to do to French residents who benefit from the dutch side through education and jobs.

  • Hpluv
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    @French Citizen

    Permit me Sir/Madam to say that your comment is, to put it mildly, HOGWASH.

    I have a license, from the Dutch side since 1975.
    So far, 1 accident on Feb 14th 1976. Maybe I was inexperienced at the time.
    Although I was 'legally wrong', the other driver, who caused the accident, did't even go to file a claim with the insurance company.

    I don't know how much stricter the exam is to get a French drivers license, but does that make you a better driver?

    If the French have their rules, then the people residing on French territory has to abide by them.
    With my drivers license from the Dutch side I am allowed to drive on French territory.
    And if I had a license from Saba and have renewed on St. Maarten, I will be allowed to drive on French territory.
    I would like to see the law that says that someone, with a license from the Netherlands (including Saba) is not allowed to drive on French territory or Europe for that matter.

    Blessings!!

  • Dutch Drivers License Black Ma
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    The Dutch drivers licenses were being given out fraudulently since the late 1980's. Lots of people got arrested then and the years that followed. The last case had to be thrown out because it was toppling too many high ranking officials. This illegal business extends to Saba and Statia. Chinese can get their license without even doing an exams. It is just a fast money making business.

  • janni
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    @A warning the Collectivity: ...
    What a sorry load of prattle: The road signs are international, as is the concept of
    demarcation ( for you: the lines drawn on the road).
    Sint Maarten is a shabbily remiss island in both of those contexts, as well as having
    an over-abundantly ignorant pedestrian population which actually endangers responsible
    drivers.
    None of want to drive anywhere & hit-or-be-hit by anyone/anything; at least not those of us
    who are sane...................

    Drive around....nothing more really needs to be said

  • Hold up one minute!!!!!: ...
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    I really do not see what all the bickering is about in this matter. It is very easy to resolve.

    Bottom line is .... This is not our (Dutch SXM) problem. This is a French on French issue.

    The French authorities have to find a solution to this matter, not Dutch SXM. It concerns French nationals, who live on the French side. Make them do the test and get their French licenses. Punt uit.

  • A warning to the Collectivity
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    @ Janni...the road signs are international but how many road signs is visible on SXM? Many road signs on SXM are common, basic signs that works for SXM. Therefore, it is common sense for the Collectivity to consider a simplified exam apart from the International exam. Anyone who obtained an international license years ago, cannot go Europe for the first time and drive and remember the meaning of the many different road signs that are not here in SXM. What is the use? I guess only for the sake of saying you have an International or knowledge that will be vividly remembered in the long run because again, many international road signs are not visible nor used on SXM. Your argument is completely invalid. The roads in Guadeloupe, Martinique, and France are completely different than SXM. In my opinion, a basic, more simplified license for French St. Martin should be acceptable to address this issue. How many of you who boast about having an International license actually go away and drive on foreign roads? My point exactly; the time consuming, difficult french international license isn't necessary for all, and a simplified license option will be appropriate.

  • A warning to the Collectivity
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    @Hpluv...You hit the nail on the head when you said: "I don't know how much stricter the exam is to get a French drivers license, but does that make you a better driver? " The french license doesn't make french drivers better drivers, they only get an INTERNATIONAL LICENSE and extra road knowledge that they can't use here on SXM anyway, that they will forget anyway.

  • careful
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    I have a Dutch drivers license since 1975. I have been driving for over 3o years. Thank God i have never had an accident. I was a very fast driver in my days. I am still driving, but less slower with my age. So there is nothing wrong with my drivers lisence. I do believe that the French side gives a more extensive exam, and if you pa** it, you will be more qualified to drive on the other islands like Guadeloupe and Mariinique. as these people follow more the European traffice laws. I do believe that to obtain a French lisence, even though a driver, that that person should follow a refreshers course. And not have to do the whole thing and pay so much money like a person who have never had a lisence before.

  • what a color
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    HEY I LOVE TO SEE HOW BLACK PEOPLE DOES FIGHT AGAINS EACH OTHER FOR EVERY THING NOT EVEN A LICENSE THEY DON,T WANT EACH OTHER TO HAVE MORE A LESS MONEY.GO CHINESE GO INDIANS GO ARABS WORK TOGETHER.ONLY WHEN BLACK PEOPLE WAS SLAVES THEY WORK GOOD TOGETHER.IF YOU REALLY WANT TO MAKE IT IN LIFE GET SOME WHITE FRIENDS.BECAUSE BLACK PEOPLE EVEN DON,T LOVE THERE SELF.WHO VEX LOOOOOSE

  • janni
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    @A warning to the Collectivity:: You seem to be saying those on SXM are basically retarded and therefore should be given special treatment. -I happen to think that is the case in many respects other than even the issue at hand, but people do tend to travel & rent cars & etc. _Those not present road signs should
    be so where applicable. & Again: people do tend to travel

  • Sosdfrentday
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    What we need is a "I born here" driver's license for the whole island...maybe indigenous James could set it up for us...lol.
    This and many other hiccups to come is just a simple reminder of what kind of colonial legal trap we living in on Sxm...
    According to the chinese busted for a traffic violation, explaining that he was not going to give his drivers license to the officer.."Ami a kumpla mi lijbewijs!"

    Next all the dual nationalities and residences on this island will cause a civil war when the sh.t hit the fan through eventual restrictions created by the colonial lawmakers!

  • not schocked at all
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    So much for one people ! One island one destiny ! looks good, sounds good
    11th of november coming and we shall meet again and listen to all the speeches
    while dog eating Dog.
    God is watching !

  • Fair or not
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    Is it fair that i had to pay my dues to get a french license, and others can go Saba, bribe someone, get a cheap license and then exchange it for one like mine?
    NOT FAIR AT ALL.
    I totally agree that the price for a french license is much too high, and there should be a price review for people who already own a duth license, but before the exchange is done, those people should be oblige to pa** a test on the french side to get that valid french license.
    Why don't they go block the roads on the dutch side, they are the ones who are refusing to exchange their licenses.
    There are rules and regulations to getting a license, i followed them and pa** my french license, they didn't, so why now are they blocking the road stopping me from using my french license.

  • DL
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    I got my drivers license in Saba in 1995. I did theory and practical examanations, I was not given the option to bride any one. There were persons who took the exams with me and failed. I have been driving ever since here and other Caribbean Islands and never had a accident.

  • 3Cs
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    @ French Citizen
    you have such an EGO. you are showing off and is missing the point. you need to reason more intelligent. Get off your high horses!! nobody needs to know that your license is international because the French is not the only country that issues international licenses. think of yourself as being too narrow-minded.

  • A warning to the Collectivity
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    @janni...I am not saying those on SXM is retarded and need special treatment. My point is that the Collectivity must figure out what will work for french residents and right now the International license offered by the french government is not working for the people, not because they are retarded but because there is no real significance in having an international license for a 37 sq miles island. Therefore it will be appropriate to implement a simplified exam that works for SXM roads and call it the French St. Martin license. For those who feel the need for an international license they can go ahead and do that exam but I believe a simplified exam is the best solution for the french residents.

  • Hold up one minute!!!!!: ...
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    @ "Fair or not: ..." and all others who are blaming the Dutch side.

    Please, again, leave the Dutch side out of this. This is a problem of the French authorities. They have to decide what steps they will take to either exchange or renew those licenses or if they must do a test first. They are the ones who feel that the Dutch license is not good enough for French residents, residing on the French Side .... and I cannot/do not blame them for implementing their own Laws for THEIR Country.

    The Island is Governed by 2 totally different Governments and the Dutch Govt. would be totally wrong to renew the licenses against the instructions of the French authorities or tell them what to do to solve the problem. This decision was made known since last year. Those who blocked the roads should have dealt with the issue since last year and not wait until now that the agreement ran out. Why should we exchange our licenses to please the French Authorities??? Really .... get a life.

    Everyone is afraid to tell THEIR Governments what they feel like but always want to discredit anything that Dutch SXM does. This nonesense MUST stop now.
    Please stop blaming the Dutch side for your woes and that of every Country who treat their residents like crap. How much more are we to bend over to help everyone?????

    This is a French side issue. See your political leaders about this matter.

    @ "French Citizen"

    You sound ridiculous. I am happy for you that you have an intl. license, whoopie for you.

    I obtained mine (SXM license) since 1982, right here on Dutch SXM. and drive anywhere I travel and you know what ????? ......... No accidents (knock on wood). So please stop your stupid insults. No one is forcing anyone to get their license on the Dutch side. Deal with your (French) Govt. on this issue and leave us (Dutch side) out of it.

  • soon
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    It hurts my soul and spirit when I read most of the negative comments on this issue. Nevertheless I respect the comments as we have been and are still being oppressed by the rulers of the land no matter which country you live in. There are very few politicians that understand their responsibility as "care taker" of their communities. Our government and our parents has the resposnibility to guide us so that we can live in peace and harmony. Sint Maarten was, is and and will always be one island. You might dig a channel and divided in two separate halfs but you cannot break up the relations that has been established through years. Government is responsible for this issue. For many years I have expressed in writting the many issues in regards to the traffic situation and the need to established a Department of Transportation which is capable to manage all the issues related to the traffic situation on the public roads. In 1972 together with Major Brown we established the first traffic department on the island. In my days no one use to go to Saba or St. Eux for a license.
    There are many issues related to the traffic situation but unless you have competent that understand our law structure and the responsibility we would not have been in this messed today. In 1983 sent in a proposal to the island government to establish an Island Traffic Department in order that the island government take care of her responsibiliy which was given by law. The Traffic Ordinance was an Island Ordinance and as such the Island Government has always been responsible for the Traffic on the island. Nevertheless it was easier to let the police department take care of the issue but it was their responsibility to change the laws of the land. One of these laws could have been, knowing the situation in Saba, that they will not allowed registration of licenses obtain in Saba on Sint Maarten. Furthermore the Island Government and the federal government has failed from the beginning to investigate the reason why people went to Saba. Nevertheless, dear brothers and sisters we are one island and one people. We need to stop bickering against one another and direct our concerns to our elected officials and demand justice from them,
    Continue writing but do not write only about your concern but share also what can be done to fix the issues. Our elected officials need our help also and every good suggestion might bring some positive results. United we stand divided we fall. Have a blessed day.

  • Follow the laws and rules of t
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    Go to Haiti and Dominican Republic and you will learn a one thing or two about the laws of that one island /country. When these foreigners come to St Maarten they picture us as fools.

    If you are living on the French side you must pay taxes to the French government, same goes for the Dutch side. So if they are registered to live on the French side, it is only right for them to have a French license.

  • wat a thing
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    these dominicanos and jamaicans taking over st.maarten by storm
    THEY ALREADY KNOW SXM IS FULL OF MONEY SO THEY COME TO TAKE ALL AND GO
    THEY REALLY HAS TO INVESTIGATE THAT FRANCIS BAR AND THE ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES THAT
    IS GOING ON THERE
    FORSURE
    MIN.DUNCAN ????? VISA VISAVISA PLEASE
    NO MORE ENTRY VISA VISA VISA !!!!!!!!! GET THESE GREEN EYE SHARKS OUT OF THIS ISLAND THERER HERE MAKING A MESS OF SWEET SXM LAND!!!!!!!!

  • French man
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    Dutch side government stay out of this.......let the french side handle their own mess......

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